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Archived from the original on May 16, INMYBRAIN (2004) - The Gasman - Archive 1993 - 2013 (File) June 5, The Daily Telegraph. O Magazine. August 1, Retrieved July 5, May 22, Retrieved June 9, Colby College. I'd say write some prose on the main article about notable people being spokespersons or commentators, and link to the list with INMYBRAIN (2004) - The Gasman - Archive 1993 - 2013 (File) hatnote. Much clearer. A complete table of commentators. Are commentators INMYBRAIN (2004) - The Gasman - Archive 1993 - 2013 (File) necessary for INMYBRAIN (2004) - The Gasman - Archive 1993 - 2013 (File) articles?
Spokespersons A Who You - Michael Rose - Michael Rose, as they get their 5-minutes of broadcast when announcing points, so they would warrant a mention in an article.
But commentators? Viewers in Slovenia for example would only know of the commentators for their broadcast, they wouldn't know who is broadcasting in other countries, Funky Town - Various - The Best Disco 80 probably don't give a toss either.
A way around this, would be to keep the style as it currently stands in ESCwith a column list of countries in voting order, and the spokespersons listed next to them without the notes saying if they are former participants. Then get rid of the commentator section entirely, and replace with a similar column-styled Kim Carnes - Live At Savoy Theater of countries and the respective channels which carried out the national broadcasts.
But I like the table lay-out proposed here. I agree, also, in removing earlier participations. That has nothing to do in the article, but if you go on their articles, you will find it. I don't consider spokespersons to be considerably more or less important than commentators, and opinions on this are a matter of point-of-view, so really it has to be both or neither in my opinion.
As I said earlier, I remain open minded about splitting these off into a separate article. I prefer the older format a lot more. I am open minded about one article per year or one article for all years. In any case, a prose explanation is needed for what juries are and what they do, which has of course varied from year-to-year. Cathairawr talk30 May UTC That is a good idea, and interesting to see how the table would be presented. Especially with artists who have returned more than once, such as Lys Assis Switzerland and Chiara Malta ; who have both entered 3 times now.
We'd end up with having to have 3 columns for situations like this wouldn't we!? Another thing worth thinking about, is Junior Eurovision Artists, who cross-over to the adult edition. OK they are not returning artists in respect of ESC, but they have participated in a contest belonging to the Eurovision Network.
Would we classify those as returns; upgrades; cross-overs; or something else. Detailed information on previous results is going off topic in my view, and a clear prose based explanation will be needed on what gets included for the benefit of a general audience - something which takes-up space.
Ultimately, we have BLP articles for people to find out about what artists did in the past. We could always write something like and I'll use for an example ; "On 17 Januarythe EBU announced that forty-three countries would take part in the contest.
The 57th edition sees the return of Montenegro, which last participated inas well as the withdrawal of Poland and Armenia. The draw to determine the running order for the semi-finals and final took place on 20 March In addition, the contest saw the return of four artists who had participated in previous editions of the contest.
It will tidy the whole thing up and make it a lot less INMYBRAIN (2004) - The Gasman - Archive 1993 - 2013 (File) with information that could be withdrawn. Excellent suggestion.
Luxembourg hasn't entered since and has shown no interest since then. Adding countries that withdrew from the current contest would need to be featured, as would news of possible returns that didn't work out i.
Liechtenstein, San Marinoetcbut repeating the same story again and again, year after year is just taking up space. Sims2aholic8 Michael talk30 May UTC I agree, a line to be draw there with Luxembourg and other countries that have shown no interest, or not even had sourced news about inklings of returns. Take for example, Luxembourg is listed, but that is only because there was an inkling that they may return and a source that accompanied that, and then a further sourced report stating the return wasn't going to happen afterall.
Instances like that could be included. Otherwise we would have to report every year that Morocco isn't returning yet.
Something like this being used more often would be a good idea. So far, Eurovision. Plus they were a handy back-up when ESCToday got hacked into and years of their work gone within seconds.
Oikotimes is semi-reliable; and should only be used if they source where their reports came from; as it is known that registered members of that website can also create news articles too, which is dangerous really. Eurovisiontimes, is good enough and has been used in the past, as has the BBC's Eurovision page. Eurovoix appears to be a newish site and reporting similar news that ESCToday publish, again they also source their details, which is an added bonus.
Any others that reliable enough that we can list as "Reliable Sources" for future reference? Your analysis above of what is reliable makes sense to me. Allowing in fansites is just going to open the flood gates and is more trouble than its worth. But you have got a point though. I know there is X's which tell you this but would it not be better if there was a colour to show this? So, effectively couldnt red still be for last place but orange or something like that be for Not Qualifying?
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